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« on: July 03, 2007, 11:24:36 AM »

I have had good results using viagra post injury and just wondered if anyones tried Cialis? According to the reserach/trials I've looked at on the internet it seems to have a similar success rate at aiding erectile disfunction in men with SCI but the big difference seems to be that one cialis tablet can last for up to 36 hours whereas viagra is around 4-6 hours max.

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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2007, 12:06:18 PM »

36 hours!

Tell my wife that and I'd have no chance of getting any! Evil

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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2007, 12:57:01 PM »

Day in day out, I am emailed about Viagra and Ciialis. I dont know where they get my address from.

If one tablet lasts for 36 hours then get me some too as I wold class that as amazing and may even consider it myself!!!

DOCTOR'S ADVICE ANDY - BE VERY WARY OF BUYING DRUGS OVER THE INTERNET. NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN TESTED OR APPROVED.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2007, 02:37:53 PM »

Hi all,

Now this is a subject which John and I are going to be interested in, so Andy thanks for emailing and letting us know of the new topic, (I haven't been on line much this year with all the work we had to do with the bungalow).   I know that some of the next paragraphs go off on another tangent, but it does all come back to the topic, and might help someone else in a similar position. tard

Yesterday, we went to see the Urologist.  John hates these appointments as he is still in big denial. Lips Sealed

Firstly, he avoids using the catheters because he can go himself by feeling a pain in his lower groin area rather than the sensation that he needs a pee, he then finds that if he sits down to pee he can force it out.  No amount of me telling him that he is doing damage has worked so far.  Anyway, yesterday, he had his appointment with the urology doctor, this was a male Dr, a male student Dr, a male nurse and a female nurse practitioner.  So John sees them all in the room and clams up, says everything is fine and hopes to get out of there as fast as his legs could get him away.

The Dr asked a few questions and John tells him he's fine, managing without the caths and that he is emptying,  I asked if it was normal to feel a pain in your groin or if that was a sign of being really full, which could cause kidney problems.  After I removed the daggers from my back (stabbed by John), the doctor started to draw pictures, John was only half listening.  Then I mentioned that he hated using the caths because he had had 3 UTI's.  It was then explained that when you empty naturally, you may only empty half of the urine, with the stronger and sediment filled section of urine still left on the bottom of the bladder. 

John agrees to all that is said and stands up to leave, the Dr then brings up erectile dysfunction.  John has no desire to discuss this in a room full of people, but I said it was still a problem and those daggers landed in my back all over again.  The nurse practitioner could see John clamming up and asked us if we would like to go into the room with her for a chat.

She was fantastic, much less matter of fact, and John actually opened up, cried and started to listen to some degree.  She gave us her direct line, she explained that the UTI's and dribbling after the cath has been used are caused by water remaining in the water pipe in the penis.  She explained that because the last water to be drained is the section with the most sediment in it, it is therefore stronger, if it is not removed by pushing up against the pipe between the back passage and testicles and then pushed forward to remove it, it just sits there, crystallizes and bugs love crystals which then cause the UTI.

He felt much better after this was explained because he was blaming the caths for the UTI's and now he understands the real reasoning behind it all.  She also gave us a course of antibiotics to have in the house just in case he needs them, to avoid getting to the stage of flu like symptoms, and not being able to get in to see a GP, for a few days.

We then went on to the subject of sex.  Daggers again, but she explained that all of these tablets need to be taken, but without sexual arousal none of them give you an erection.  John's fear of using the viagra was that if he took one, then had an erection, but was in too much pain, (Chronic pain is a major issue with John's incomplete injury) he would be left with an erection for hours when he did not want to have sex because the pain was too much to bear.

She explained that none of the tablets worked like that, she said that viagra took 20 minutes to get into your bloodstream, and that an erection could be achieved anytime during the next 4 to 5 hours, to then achieve sexual intercourse.  She mentioned the name of a few other tablets on offer, and then mentioned Cialis.  She said that it worked in a similar way to Viagra, but took 20 minutes to get into the bloodstream, but stayed in your system to help you achieve an erection at any time during the 36 hours.  I forgot to ask if that meant you could have several erections over a 36 hour period, but once she explained that it was not instant, causing an erection of its own course which you could be stuck with for hours, John opened up to the idea.

So we left after spending about an hour with her, with 2 boxes of Cialis.  The viagra sat in the medicine cupboard for 2 years untouched, lets hope now he has had a better explanation from someone who actually listened and explained these boxes might actually get opened.

As the wife of an incomplete SCI I don't know if it is the norm for the woman to speak out in these appointments, but I always do, because John just clams up and wants his old life back.  After the appointment he is always glad I've spoken up, but he looks like he could kill me at the time. 

So for all you wives out there, 50 years ago it was not the done thing for a wife to complain about lack of sexual activity, but now it is acceptable, so don't feel embarrassed in the appointment, its better than a divorce due to sexual frustration.

When, if ever, we get around to using the Cialis tablets, at least we've got a 36 hour window to feel romantic and lead up to making love, rather than knowing we have to do it no matter what in a 4 or 5 hour timescale.  Plus he now knows if he takes the tablet and there is no sexual arousal he won't be left with an erection he doesn't want when he's in chronic pain.  Chronic pain is the worse because it can just come on for no reason.

When asked who he wanted to see for his next appointment, he chose the female nurse practitioner because he felt it was easier to talk to her than the Dr, mad isn't it that he would rather talk to a woman about it than a man.  Male pride is the only conclusion. laugh

Hope this all makes sense and did not deviate too far from the subject.

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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2007, 02:57:58 PM »

Day in day out, I am emailed about Viagra and Ciialis. I dont know where they get my address from.
DOCTOR'S ADVICE ANDY - BE VERY WARY OF BUYING DRUGS OVER THE INTERNET. NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN TESTED OR APPROVED.

I get those emails too Gary loads of them, I'd never buy over the internet always on prescription for me



Maria, thanks for such a lengthy reply, I hope John manages to get on with whatever bladder routine he finally decides on, I'd be very interested to know how the cialis tablets go too

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2007, 03:01:21 PM »

Aye Maria, male pride is a terrible thing and we all suffer from it.

Due to recent surgery, I am back to being one handed and am TOTALLY dependant on my Mum for EVERYTHING.

Male pride - yep, I have it. I would rather suffer and wait for my Dad than ask Mum!!!

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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2007, 08:02:49 PM »

this is an interesting subject and one that i will have my husband look at so he can be more informed if my son has any questions.  i have seen that he has looked up the subject on the internet but i think a doctor would have much better information,

i have found that when it comes down to it my son talks to me or has me help him rather than his father, male pride in a different vein, in which he would feel it was very wrong for his father to care for him as it is mom who does when anyone is sick when growing up.



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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2007, 10:46:00 PM »

Hmmmmm....There's a guy on Simon's site that seems to have had more sexual encounters than all of us put together!!!....He has an SCI, but his name eludes me right now!!!??...LOL..Lucky Guy!!

I have absolutely NO experience of Viagra etc. but was amazed to see it available to buy over the counter in Turkey!!  However, I DO have a male (platonic!!) friend who's tried it!! He's able-bodied, and said it was amazing....BUT...had difficulty getting rid of his erection!!!!!

Gary,

I'm sure your Mum doesn't do "EVERYTHING" for you!!!


Years ago, I nursed a guy who had Parkinson's and was on a very high dosage of Sinemet....He was in his 90's and had obviously had quite an active sex life, and to those who aren't in the "know", a side-effect of Sinemet, is a raised libido!!! The young nurses found it all very embarrassing and highly offensive!!...I found it amazingly wonderful...and rather sad....I'm not entirely sure whether it's true, but his GP, who'd recently returned from a secondment in USA, said that if he'd been there, then his treatment would've included sexual "relief"!! She said that it was common practice to hire call girls in order to fulfil that part of his Holistic Tharapy!!!?? Bloody Marvellous, if that's the case!!!

LOL....At Bed-Bath time, he'd ask us to "Give it a good rub"!!!!...One morning, I passed him the sponge, and said, "Bill, Parkinsons COULD work for you!!!"...I put the sponge in his hand, and said, "I'll come back in 10 minutes"!!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2007, 08:04:13 AM »

There's not an awful lot you can do with one arm trussed up like a chicken - especially when it is your dominant arm that is out of use. Depends on what you read into "everything."

However, feeling a bit like Deano at the moment, down at the level of plankton, I have no use one of either viagra or cialis.

As for the sexual encoutners on Simon's site. I read what is posted and take it all with a pinch of salt. On the internat you can be whatever you want to be, nobody knows you except for what they tell you. So I take it all with a pinch of salt.
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2007, 11:00:23 AM »

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Due to recent surgery, I am back to being one handed and am TOTALLY dependant on my Mum for EVERYTHING.

Now that's what I call an unfortunate use of words  considering this topic!  Grin Grin

Lol

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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2007, 11:30:55 AM »

Groan... Ive said it before and Im going to say it again... Simon.. you are NAUGHTY!!!!! Im laughing my head off right now!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2007, 11:36:44 AM »

Sorry Jilly,

I've got some Gaffa tape if that'll help, for your head that is.  Grin

Right.... Less of the post hijack, time to get back on  topic.

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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2007, 01:25:07 PM »

You are so right Simon. I did not read before I posted. I had lost the thread for want of a pun!
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2007, 09:28:27 AM »

update......

having used cialis a few times now I'd say its similar results wise for me as viagra and yes the effects do last for 24-36 hours after taking it.  With viagra I usually get quite a flushed face too but didn't experience the same with cialis.  I would also add that as an 'incomplete' injury myself the success I have had with these medications may be due in part to my type of injury.  No adverse side effects

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